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Clio 182 Problems the saga continues...

Discussion in 'Faults, Problems & Solutions' started by ccreedy, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. ccreedy

    ccreedy

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    Hi Guy's,
    I've had a few problems with my 182 many of which have been solved by reading the forums but I just want to run the scenario I'm facing with veterans like yourselves and get a second opinion.

    Standard 182 FF regularly serviced, showed an EML which the OBDII reader identified as 'generic multi cylinder misfire' on a single occasion, erased the code, not a peep for months, As we hit winter the EML returned and disappeared less than 2 mins later with no actual noticeable misfire on each occasion.

    Had to do an early start back in January, it was freezing cold, in hindsight, probably made a fatal error by filling up at Tesco's and on the return journey the Car developed a very noticeable misfire and was very angry at low gears / speed.

    The next day my Mechanic and I stripped out the plugs found that one of the 6 month old NGK's looked wrecked, all the others were clean, I already had leads and ignition coil pack, so we swapped them all out cleaned the plug put her all back together, no change, EML for the misfire came on straight away. Looked at the fuel injectors, one was new the other 3 looked rusty and as we removed one of the rusty one's it fell apart in our hands, looks like we found the culprit, no half measures replaced all 4 the next day, new ngk plug for good measure and also replaced the vvt solenoid seal as it was weeping ( thanks to the guys on here for the guides).

    Car was reluctant to fire over, put this down to having had the fuel rail off, but once she was running the engine sounded like a whole new animal, no hunting on idle, just silently running with no warning lights in sight, thought we'd cracked it however....

    She's reluctant to fire over on every first start
    Stall's occasionally when pulling away on an incline
    Can't feel the VVT kicking in, she runs smooth as a nut, but the engine feels like it's undergone a castration.

    With spring around the corner I really want to start enjoying using the car again, I already get enough stick for the car always being in pieces lol, any thoughts on what the underlying problem could be (don't say it's French :wink: )

    Dodgey batch of fuel / knackered fule pump?
    Cranckshaft / TDC sensor ?
    Witchcraft?
    Any Help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
    TIA
    Creedy
     
  2. flebay

    flebay

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    This a symptom of using non genuine (magneti marelli) injectors.
    The copies don't come with retaining clips.
     
  3. ccreedy

    ccreedy

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    Many Thanks for the tip, you're not wrong the new injectors didn't have the retainer clips, I'll get these swapped out and let you know, I've also ordered a new TDC sensor too as a precaution, looks simple enough to get too.

    Cheers
     
  4. optical

    optical ClioSport Moderator

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    Definitely non genuine injectors.
     
  5. bloke

    bloke ClioSport Club Member

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    dan's cast offs.
    that's because it doesn't :wink:
     
  6. JB21

    JB21 ClioSport Club Member

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    Tesco regular fuel I presume, not Momentum 99?
     
  7. VR46-G@Z

    VR46-G@Z ClioSport Club Member

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    Definitely injectors, been there done and experienced that...:up:
     
  8. ccreedy

    ccreedy

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    Hi Guy's,
    Just an update as not fully resolved:
    4x Genuine magneti marelli's fitted and she's firing over with very little hesitation and no random stall's when pulling away on inclines etc, idling is the smoothest and quietest I've ever known, again no hunting anymore.
    Was going to fit a new Crank Sensor to find that she's already fitted with the Blue one.
    Just treated her to a bottle of Wynn's extreme petrol clean and near enough a full tank of Momentum 99 but It still feels like she's missing some horses, before the misfire started the car would really push you back in the seat if you put your foot down, and this evening with the help of a playful Ford Owner I was given a good run for my money, but she really didn't want to play. Noticeable 'lumpy' acceleration when putting my foot down in 2nd / 3rd no VVT kick at all.

    Have I missed something obvious?
    Ccreedy
     
  9. Peperami

    Peperami ClioSport Club Member

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    Just drive it into the sea.
     
  10. VR46-G@Z

    VR46-G@Z ClioSport Club Member

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    I had a misfire/underpowered issue years ago... To save beating about the bush I cleaned the throttle body, replaced the spark plugs, fitted Magnecor leads and an Ngk coil pack, cleaned TDC sensor and fitted new injectors... I covered every base and she ran like a dream afterwards, presuming all these parts on yours are ok I can't really suggest anything else that might be wrong... To save guessing I bit the bullet and replaced everything, I can understand why others wouldnt but I like things A1 spot on....:smile:
     
  11. bloke

    bloke ClioSport Club Member

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    again...there isn't one, you're not driving a honda.
     
  12. Niall

    Niall ClioSport Club Member

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    As Carl says, VVT on these is at something like 1800 revs, the 5k 'kick' is just a characteristic of the engine, not a crossover or similar.
     
  13. flebay

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