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Does anyone have a comparison between a Clio200 and an ST? I know they are quite different beasts but I would think it makes more sense to compare the 200 to it than the 172.

Are you sure that isn't the average MPH reading, if the 172 has that like the 200 does (it caught me out)? What kind of driving/roads?

As I was never "into" earlier RS Clios I never got used to the 197's looks, I therefore find that the 200 looks much better than the 197. I do however understand how sometimes newer models of cars take a while for the looks to catch on when you really love an earlier generation of car

My main gripe is not so much with car finance, as it can often be a necessity, but with credit card debt which has much higher interest rates. The problem is that manageable debt can sometimes become unmanageable debt due to changes in circumstances, it can then cause huge family and personal...

Should have gone for a really nice long drive

The used one, you get the gadgets and a much nicer car all round, 3000 mls is nothing, in a few weeks the new one will be used anyway! After 3 years or so which would be the easier one to sell? My guess is the full one.

The only kind of debt that is "ok" is secured debt on an appreciating asset (e.g. mortgage debt). Consumer debt is always a bad idea and if you need it then you probably can't afford the purchase. Harsh but true.

Thanks for the replies, does anyone have any idea if this car has the cup pack? The dealer claims that it doesn not, but they are a Honda dealer so may not know very well. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201015356849605

How would you visually tell if a Clio 200 (non Cup) has the Cup chasis pack (i.e. before driving it)? Red brake calipers? What else? Thanks