Pulling to the left

hipwell · Sep 21, 2016

Just picked up a 172 and all's good apart from it seems to pull to the left slightly.
Noticeable under power or when traveling at a steady pace.

Checked all tyre pressures.
The only thing I have noticed is that the 2 front tyres are a different brand. Would this be the issue? Or is it more likely to be a ball joint of a certain component?

jamesycc · Sep 21, 2016

tracking needs doing. About £25 for a decent laser alignment.

imprezaworks · Sep 21, 2016

What make tyres?

hipwell · Sep 21, 2016

2 of the same Yokohama on the back. Then on the front there a Bridgestone and an Avon.

Would I be better off putting both the Yokohama on the front and then going for tracking?

imprezaworks · Sep 21, 2016

Allways have four matching tyres tbh, well I do anyway.

plees · Sep 21, 2016

Wouldn't be too worried about anything before taking it for tracking. Like others have said though, id put the two matching tyres on the front for piece of mind if anything. One less thing to rule out

imprezaworks · Sep 21, 2016

Het the tyres done first imo. Otherwise I guess.

Yeah had the tracking done and it's still pulling to the left

STEVE.M · Sep 21, 2016

hipwell said:
only thing I have noticed is that the 2 front tyres are a different brand.

Are they the same size?

imprezaworks · Sep 21, 2016

mossyv6 · Sep 21, 2016

Could be sticking caliper slider.

STEVE.M · Sep 21, 2016

imprezaworks said:
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hipwell · Sep 21, 2016

Will this stuff be ok to use on the slider pins?

I usually use copper grease on the back of the pads but have never greased the sliders
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/c...enance-fluids-and-greases/grease/?526770250&0

RichieJA · Sep 22, 2016

I replaced every single suspension and steering part over 3 months trying to sort a pull to the left, turned out I needed a shim on the back axle, instead of guessing and flinging money at it get, it tracked by a 4 wheel hunter machine, then you will actually find out what is wrong

iimushroomzii · Sep 22, 2016

I wouldn't worry about the tyres as long as they are in decent nick and all the same size. Get the tracking done and see how it is.

bloke · Sep 22, 2016

Get everything checked first BEFORE you get the tracking done, have seen plenty of cars that he e had tracking done with knocked ball joints, tre's, rods, bearings etc.

Rone · Sep 24, 2016

What the posters above have said. I also had a twisted (crashed) rear axle that caused the car to constantly steer to one direction. So it is not a rule that the front-end is doing the steering!!

Also, if the car has been crashed, the whole steering geometry in the front-end might be messed up slightly. So getting the tracking correct will not fix the self-steering problem in that case. It may be caused, for example, by different amounts of camber on front wheels, which is a consequence of a front-end collision. If the whole chassis is twisted, then it is not so fun to fix. This is why I never buy cars that have been crashed. Apart from the fact that the airbags and gas-fastening seatbelt tighteners are a major headache in crashed used cars.

hipwell · Sep 27, 2016

bloke said:
Get everything checked first BEFORE you get the tracking done, have seen plenty of cars that he e had tracking done with knocked ball joints, tre's, rods, bearings etc.

Well just had the tracking done and it's still the exact same. There doesn't appear to be any signs of any crash damage and the track rod ends and ball joints have no play in them.
I just called quick fit about their 4 wheel alignment and he said cliosaren't adjustable at the rear so if the back end is out how do I go about fixing that?

bloke · Sep 27, 2016

shims behind the stub axle.

Jekyll · Sep 27, 2016

Not knackered rear shocks? That has a tenancy to pull. Although it does feel a bit boat like also.

Just a suggestion.

cs_dave · Sep 27, 2016

Bent stub axle?

imprezaworks · Sep 27, 2016

Have you a printout of the tracking

hipwell · Sep 27, 2016

Nah I didn't get a printout.

Back shocks look OK, no oil coming from them and no noises.

Would your average 4 wheel alignment shop be able to fit shims behind the stub axel or is it a specialist type of job?

cs_dave · Sep 27, 2016

hipwell said:
Nah I didn't get a printout.

Back shocks look OK, no oil coming from them and no noises.

Would your average 4 wheel alignment shop be able to fit shims behind the stub axel or is it a specialist type of job?

DIY buddy once you know how far out it is

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imprezaworks · Sep 27, 2016

Can do it if handy, or any decent mechanic can do it.
My resident mechanic @bloke does any work on my car. Trusted.co.uk

hipwell · Sep 27, 2016

Just been reading up on the toe shims, look easy enough to fit.

So basically I need to get a printout from a 4 wheel alignment machine, fit rear toe shims and then I'd probably have to take it for tracking again?

imprezaworks · Sep 27, 2016

Wouldn't need it tracking again as the rear is fixed so no adjustment.

But yeah get a printout

cs_dave · Sep 27, 2016

If its out by loads you sir have a shagged stub axle or a bent beam

hipwell · Sep 27, 2016

Ouch!
How do I tell which it is? I take it if I strip off the rear disks and caliper a bent stub axle would present itself fairly obviously?

cs_dave · Sep 27, 2016

Jack up spin the wheel and use your eyes you will see a buggered stub the beam you wont.

Do you know how far out it was?

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hipwell · Sep 27, 2016

K I'll have a proper look at the weekend.
If a stub was bent though wouldn't it still spin normally as the bend would be before where the bearing sits?
Could a shot rear bush on the torsion beam cause a similar effect?

No they were pretty pikey to be honest not the most professional guys in the world.

hipwell · Sep 29, 2016

Well upon closer I section last night I can see that the rear passenger side wheel seems to be toed in a few degrees more than the drivers side.

Is that likely to cause a pull? I'm going to get it on a hunter system at the weekend and get a printout.

The Hitman · Sep 29, 2016

I would check the wear on both the back tyres to make sure they are wearing evenly, check the springs and shocks on all corners to make sure there is no leaking or breaks, check the steering arms that they are and good order, change the front tyres for a matching pair and if the back tyres aren't weraing evenly change those for either another matching pair or the same as the fronts and then get the tracking done. Get the tracking done last after you've ruled out that there are no other problems, otherwise its just a waste of time.

hipwell · Sep 29, 2016

Thanks mate.

Did all that and there were no abnormalities so I got a hunter allignment check done after checking everything over on the ramp.

I have attached the results.
Does any of that look bad enough to cause a pull to the left?

imprezaworks · Sep 29, 2016

Yep issue with rear toe and camber, that will cause it to increase tyre wear and pull as one tyre will wear quicker etc. Mine as an example

hipwell · Sep 29, 2016

Yeh as I though.
Would there be enough movement to try and correct it if I slackened the rear axle and try to re centre it and nip back up?

Do those reading suggest a bent axle or stub axle?

imprezaworks · Sep 29, 2016

In my opinion no to the first.

And quite possibly to the next question.

hipwell · Sep 29, 2016

What's the chance of it been corrected with a set of these?
http://www.pure-motorsport.co.uk/details.php?itemid=128
One on the right for the camber and one on the left to fix the toe?

STEVE.M · Sep 29, 2016

hipwell said:
What's the chance of it been corrected with a set of these?
http://www.pure-motorsport.co.uk/details.php?itemid=128
One on the right for the camber and one on the left to fix the toe?

Looking at these,all holes are the same size,so they can fitted anyway round.
Could your car already have a set of these,but fitted incorrectly?
The problem is the left hand rear,the right looks fine.
These shims are what you need,but you need 1.5 degrees in total each to correct both toe & camber.
Kam Racing have 1 and 0.5 Eibach shims @ £15 per pair.
The one`s you don`t use you could sell on!

hipwell · Sep 29, 2016

STEVE.M said:
Looking at these,all holes are the same size,so they can fitted anyway round.
Could your car already have a set of these,but fitted incorrectly?
The problem is the left hand rear,the right looks fine.
These shims are what you need,but you need 1.5 degrees in total each to correct both toe & camber.
Kam Racing have 1 and 0.5 Eibach shims @ £15 per pair.
The one`s you don`t use you could sell on!

Possibly I'll strip it at the weekend and see if there is any fitted.

Can a shim be fitted on top of a shim?

Ie a 1.5 degree camber shim to correct the camber and then a 1 degree toe shim to correct the toe?

cs_dave · Sep 29, 2016

Bent beam would say 75% sure after seing that tracking unless as above some plonker has put shims in upside down but i doubt it tbh

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