Looking buy my first 197 Cup or R27

[Matt W]

I have a feeling that 197 cups don't have manual windows...

[Keith Lemon]

I have a feeling that 197 cups don't have manual windows...

I thought they were, didn't Clarkson bang on about how s**t the interior was?

[Gaz_]

They have electric windows lol! Its only leccy mirrors they lose!

I've had both a 197 and now a cup. They feel the same, as in yes the soft touch dash is nice, but the general ambience is the same...

Basically you lose

Keyless entry
AC (its option on a Cup)
Soft touch dash (now hard plastic)
Cruise
Fat steering wheel
Metal pedals
Electric mirrors
External temp gauge
Options on the headlights (only the silver clusters available)

And the thing i miss the most............... the external temp gauge

You do gain proper internal door handles though

[R-Sport Cars LTD]

197 Cups are a bit poverty BUT there isnt a HUGE difference between a FF-
If you take a BASE spec R27 & a Specced 197 Cup Bar the keycards they are nearly identical....

Also you can get speedlines on a 197 cup- you cant on a cup you cant on an r27-

take your pic-

Cup
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4256/p1000600nh.jpg

FF
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7744/p1050427j.jpg

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[Gaz_]

Cup owns there, i even love the bare rubbing strips, contrasts well with GW

(not a fan of the stick on tat though )

[1993sei]

They have leccy windows

After test driving the cup and comparing it to the R27 it just feels cheaper. It's not the dash or the lack of gadgets just a feel, it's difficult to put my finger on it

Maybe I should go and have a look at this on:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Cl...item4163f0166a

Although I fear it may have the weak (er) gearbox

[R-Sport Cars LTD]

Just to clear it up-

IIRC the revised gearbox has revised gear ratios - there was no revision to make the TL4 gearbox any stronger-
the gearboxes are as prone to going on an 06 plate as an 08 plate-
Its about how they have been driven & how much abuse the syncros have taken- & OR the fragility of the parts-
I sold a LY 200 to my neighbour who drives it like a pensioner & it needed a gearbox at 5k

That one you listed is a nice car- although Albi blue is the least popular these days- its a 'bit' over priced- although it is dealer & 1 owner which adds a bit of residual value-

maybe 7750 on that one....

regards
Steve

[theduck]

Build quality maybe. Lets remember that your missing cruise, climate, air con, electric windows, auto lights and wipers etc.

I don't see the point in 197 Cups. You lose a load of kit for no actual benefit. People say 182 Cups are pointless, 197's are even more poverty spec.

You lose everything you don't really need. As long it has air con option you genuinely don't feel you are missing anything IMO. You just keep a couple grand in the bank ;-)

[VXR killer]

R27's dont come in GW, and therefore are pony

im pretty sure ive seen a GW R27 knocking about somewhere

[Knuckles]

im pretty sure ive seen a GW R27 knocking about somewhere

doubt it, renault only made one in memory of a member on here and i think they've kept it

[theduck]

Renault made one uk spec model which went to a friend/relative of a renaultsport enthusiast. In Europe they were available in gw as standard.

[Sir_Dave]

Never understood the hatred towards 197 cups on here. The interior imo is at least equal the quality of the interior of a 182, and how often do you really adjust your wing mirrors to need electric ones?

Same tbh, the dashboard/interior is terrible on both, so as long as it has Recaros i see no reason not to look at a Cup.

In fact, the benefit of buying a cup is that it will have the revised box, whereas an R27 might not.

Looking at the prices Steve's quoting, im not entirely how sure i managed to pay less than £6.5k for my Nimbus one lol.

[alexsmith]

ly r27!!!! Buy mine

[R-Sport Cars LTD]

Alex clear you PMs & PM me -

cheers
Steve

[1993sei]

ly r27!!!! Buy mine

Talk to me...

[jimbo666]

doubt it, renault only made one in memory of a member on here and i think they've kept it

Renault made one uk spec model which went to a friend/relative of a renaultsport enthusiast. In Europe they were available in gw as standard.

Correct

[Knuckles]

Correct

twas a nice gesture wasn't it

[jimbo666]

Indeed it was. I've not used it since Aug last year!

[Knuckles]

oh! i didnt notice it was yours! i thought renault kept it

[jimbo666]

No, I've had it since Feb 2008. It's on 20k now.