Manual Rack Conversion?

[MullyBaby]

Hi guys

I am wanting to delete my powersteering from my 182.

I have the PAS delete kit from puremotorsport http://www.pure-motorsport.co.uk/details.php?itemid=158

Will a 1.2 (non electric) rack be ok? I read that some people prefer the electric 1.5 dci rack but apparentley people lose steering feel?

What else is needed, is it just the rack, swap my track rods on to it and use the Pure Motorsport kit and all done?

I dont do a lot of town driving or parking (mainly b roads and motoway)

Cheers in advance.

[DannyR]

Why do you want to delete?

I think burp speed racing on here using the electric one so it can't be too bad.

[Daniel]

Burpspeed are using a saxo electric motor.

[MullyBaby]

Why do you want to delete?

I think burp speed racing on here using the electric one so it can't be too bad.

Well im getting rid of the AC anyway, plus the PAS high pressure pipe has gone again (last time cost me 300+ labour) and I cant be arsed with it anymore.

I only use my car for free-flowing journeys and track days, not really town driving so thought I could free up some more revvyness from the engine and get rid of the PAS leaks while im there.

What else would be involved with the electric rack? How do you tap into the speed sensor, motors etc etc?

[MullyBaby]

Hmm, think I'll drop Burp a PM then

[Daniel]

If you want to remove P/S completely (I have on mine) then just remove the pump and all the pipes, loop up the fluid holes in the rack and carry on as per normal.

Me and a friend made our own 'delete kit' and it costs less than £20.

[MullyBaby]

If you want to remove P/S completely (I have on mine) then just remove the pump and all the pipes, loop up the fluid holes in the rack and carry on as per normal.

Me and a friend made our own 'delete kit' and it costs less than £20.

Would that not be stiffer than the a dedicated manual rack? How has your's faired?

[Fred@BTM]

1.2/dci rack are the same thing

[Daniel]

Would that not be stiffer than the a dedicated manual rack? How has your's faired?

Mine is absolutely fine. Although it has probably only covered 5 hours of driving since I did it.

The only time it feels 'too heavy' is when doing a three point turn or paralel parking. Once on the move, it makes no difference.

[Ade T]

You can loop the rack as mentioned or loop with a T piece and run a overflow/breather.

[Bobby.]

If you want to remove P/S completely (I have on mine) then just remove the pump and all the pipes, loop up the fluid holes in the rack and carry on as per normal.

Me and a friend made our own 'delete kit' and it costs less than £20.

What did you use in this 'delete kit' ?

[MullyBaby]

Thanks for the ideas guys, tbh I like the idea of just bolting a manual rack straight on for the sake of £30 but just need to weigh up what people are saying about the electric rack being better as well...

[Chip-mk1]

Careful that you dont pick a manual rack thats more turns lock to lock, ruins the feel of the car for spirited driving.

[Daniel]

What did you use in this 'delete kit' ?

3 nuts and bolts, a 5 rib alternator belt from a motor factors (clios usually have 6 but they wouldn't fit) and an adjustable bar with lockable ends.

Can tension the belts as much as needed, and its a damn sight cheaper than whats on offer from the specialists.

[MullyBaby]

Careful that you dont pick a manual rack thats more turns lock to lock, ruins the feel of the car for spirited driving.

Good point, anyone know which manual rack is best to go for?

[Daniel]

If all you want to do is remove the power element of the power steering, why not just use the existing rack??

[Whiteley]

Remove pump and pipework as said, fill rack with fluid and loop the 2 ports on the rack. Ran mine like that for 3 years without any problems. Hard work at car park speed but good feel and weight on the move.

As Chip mentioned, a lot of racks that are meant for no pas have too many turns lock to lock.

[MullyBaby]

Well my hoses are leaking so can't really reuse them

[Daniel]

If you're removing PAS why do you need to re-use the hoses??

I'm so confused right now...

[Bobby.]

3 nuts and bolts, a 5 rib alternator belt from a motor factors (clios usually have 6 but they wouldn't fit) and an adjustable bar with lockable ends.

Can tension the belts as much as needed, and its a damn sight cheaper than whats on offer from the specialists.

Oh ok so where did you source all parts from?

I have been thinking about deleteing the pas and aircon on a 172 when I get one, I was thinking another way that you could do it possibly would be to find a Renault that has no aircon and no pas as std and take the brackets, pulley etc off that. Which makes me think does the f4r block have the same bolt hole pattern as k4* ? Because if it does it will give more options of engines to look at..