Icemans Britcar Endurance project 182

[Tony Hunter]

I think you will have to stand back and have a good look and think about what you really want to do and spend.24 hrs is a long time,we didn't do that over a whole season's racing.I'm not knocking what you are doing and good luck with the project,you have got alot of work ahead of you.

[Sir_Dave]

Nice sounding project, will definately keep an eye on it!!

BTW, your engine budget is 3 times my car budget lol ...

[adalis]

Entry fees are about �2k if you sign up around Autosport time, or they were for 2010.

2010 was a blinding race to be part of, and just finishing feels amazing.

This looks to be a cracking project, what's with the Avantime (?) wheels though?

[Greeny.]

Wish I had the cash to do something simular, great project and I look forward to looking back through this thread

[richy22]

This link is me in Robot wars with our second robot Executioner As I said I like building things damned speed controller blew or we would have won that heat. That machine had a fully tuned stihl chainsaw motor powering a 35kg verticle disc It was hmmm dangerous. This is our spinner test ha ha

Huh..I work with the guys who did Chaos 2 from Robot wars..

http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_2

[Matt@TDF AKA Icarus]

Hello Iceman,

You absolutely need to talk to us about this project. We have taken class wins with Renault Sport projects in both Britcar 24hr (2008) and Dubai 24hr (2009), designed and developed a number of 6/12/24hr and 1000KM endurance race cars and carry stock and spares of most bits that you'll need if you are serious about running this car competitively in MSA British Endurance (which is Britcars current name).

We have a number of engine options available including a 280bhp S2000 legal engine package (but this is �17K + options) and have worked with both Sadev and XTrac transmission solutions on Mk2 and Mk3 Clio platforms with paddle actuated shift from Shiftec and Geartronics.

Our workshop number is 01480 861902

Regards
Matt

Tour-De-Force/Track-Group

[Englebert]

With respect, i think it is very naiive to start with a road car when you could just buy an ex Clio Cup car and save a huge amount of money.

I've certainly learnt the hard way!

[Gray]

With respect, i think it is very naiive to start with a road car when you could just buy an ex Clio Cup car and save a huge amount of money.

I've certainly learnt the hard way!

This.

IMO you are far better off buying a cup racer and modifying that to your requirements... It will literally save you thousands of ��� and a hell of alot of time!

The cup racers run alot better parts the the road car and most "after market parts" already.. suspension, engine mounts, PROPER cage etc. etc.

[adalis]

With respect, i think it is very naiive to start with a road car when you could just buy an ex Clio Cup car and save a huge amount of money.

I'd wager that 90% of tin top race cars in the UK start with a road car.

I don't think it's naivety here, Mark has stated he likes to build his own stuff, props to him for it.

Judging by the location, the Aston, etc. I'd say that the extra investment needed to start from scratch isn't much of an issue here, as when Mark is finished he'll have something the means much more to him - especially when rolling over the finish line in October time.

[Englebert]

If the guy has money to throw about, then why not buy a Mosler...

I'm telling you, it is no fun spending 10s of thousands of pounds on a car that ends up uncompetitive. It being 'your' car makes no difference, losing sucks ass.

Just buy this...
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listin..._Race_Car.html

Britcar is a competitive series. There are very few 'homebrew' cars, it is mainly current or past one make series stuff. An ex-Cup car will also make it far easier for regulations.

Otherwise, get realistic and join a race series that doesn't require such expensive modifications. There are plenty out there.

[Matt@TDF AKA Icarus]

If you are going to build a proper endurance racer then a Clio-Cup car doesn't really help that much. Okay you don't have to dip the shell but being a Cup car it will have damage already and probably require a new one regardless. The last Mk2 we did was an ex CC car and realisticaly all the customer got out of using a CC car was a gearbox and a cage a bit cheaper! LHD is nice from a weighting point of view but some guys just don't get feel comfortable with LHD which means you're starting with a road car regardless.

Englebert what's happening with regards your Lotus at the moment? Have you sold it yet? If not want us to have a look and see what we can recommend with regards reliability upgrades as I remember this being a complete pain for you! Did you see our Elise R at the brands 1000KM? We did very well with that one!

[Englebert]

It will never be sold dude, it owes us about �150k! The engine is ok now mate, touch wood! What sort of stuff do you? Think i recall your Elise doing well yeah...but bear in mind ours is 260bhp+ when allowed to rev so on the limit. With a lower limit it did the Britcar 6hr with no issues. The major problems are with the Quaife which i am relieved has now been replaced by a Hewland EGT as fitted to the NSX. The Hewland is not only much better, but slightly lighter, so the Elise should be a monster!

Will be doing Lotus only stuff with the Elise though. Next year back in Britcar with the NSX. It will run underpowered in Class 1 whilst an engine with ITBs is being designed.

[Matt@TDF AKA Icarus]

We do everything from engine design and development for motorsport and low volume OEM to an A service on an Elise! Our primary focus is motorsport development specificaly whole car build and support as we have the ability to undertake 85% of the design, development and build process in house as well as the kit and contacts to run a logistics and PR operation. This has spilled over into developing an array of tuner market products for various UK/European countries and we recently joined forces with HKS to offer the same to those who tune JDM but want products/components with their own brands.

Have you thought about seeing what Judd will do you on a K2000 engine as these were mostly reliable when I had experience of them (albeit not in endurance, Team Atomic Kitten baby ). Failing that keep the rev limit down!

I still like playing with Clios and Elises though Especialy when we get to make proper race cars out of them.

You'll have to pop and see our workshops as we've got some lovely kit these days:

Engine Dyno:


Chassis Dyno:


Chassis Setup Rig:


Service Centre:


Can't wait to see your NSX out again, the NSX is one of personal favourites and in all likelyhood will be what I swap my current Cerbera for later this year. If I don't see you before I'll see you at Britcar, think it's Aston and Lotus for us this year.

[Tom@JMS]

Now now Matt, there is a slight possibility that the above has no relevance whatsoever to the project thread ^

[Tunst]

i want to come work for you matt..

[Jonny1*2]

Nice set up matt

[gally]

All got a bit willy waving in here didn't it.

Anyway good luck whatever you do mate and thanks for bringing the thread here, there is a lot of knowledge in a small place.

[Silent_Scone]

justified willy waving though Whatever that is on the Dyno it looks savage

[Matt@TDF AKA Icarus]

I know Englebert loves a bit of workshop bling so that was mostly for him!

It's an old BRM F1 on the chassis dyno 1.5L V8, 11K RPM rev limit.

Track-Group is coming on nicely though.

[Englebert]

That is awesome!

Back OT. Fair enough if you think the costs of using a road car is less than someone may think, i still think once you add up all the little things, you soon find costs you might not think of. For example, sometimes with a race car you may get 4 sets of wheels chucked in. I know the OP is going to do a lot himself, but there is labour costs to consider on top of parts. There is also availability and timescales for obtaining parts...

Have you raced before Iceman?